It is more likely that it was an expression of what He was feeling. Malachi 3:13–18 contains one of the most comforting passages in the Old Testament. Luther says, “God forsaking God. God loves and God looks. Yet in those moments he still calls out “Father into your hands I commit my Spirit,” which to us shows that the Trinity remained intact. Christ said i do nothing of myself, so how can he be fully God and Human if he does nothing of his self ? That is why you must come to him, and be in him because. This is why on the cross Jesus cried out in aramaic, “My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me”. I preach this today, because I do not want you to know what that is like, ever. I believe rather than just the idea that God is too holy(and He is), that He couldn’t ” look upon sin”….He is too Holy to partake in it. Hi. Blessings! What I see is a savior and high priest who identifies with our deepest struggles. Seems to me a trivial thing for Christians to be wasting their time arguing about. I was rather surprised when he answered that he never had dry times with the Lord. NO! New King James Version As one who has battled depression, I find it so comforting that even Jesus, in His greatest anguish, “felt” forsaken, when He actually was not. While we see Jesus’ anguish in full view on the cross, we do NOT see that the sin could break the Trinity. If you would like someone from our staff to call you, please include your phone number. The answer: Separation from Himself for all eternity. God-forsaken. 1), p. 354, Banner of Truth, 1973, [5] Robert Murray M’Cheyne, Sermons of R.M.M., p. 44, Banner of Truth, 1961, [6] C. H. Spurgeon sermon, Our Lord’s Solemn Enquiry, #3507, Apr. By being separated from God? He was doing the same, telling people He was the one David spoke of in Psalm 22. I believe that Gods word is infallible. No! Are you suggesting that Jesus (God) mis-spoke. When people say, “There is no hell,” I ask, “Then, what was this about? As such, I believe He did for a time. Now while it is true that God has overlooked the days of ignorance he now commands all men everywhere to repent (because of the gift of his son Jesus). Hi Rick, In the depths of his agony, Jesus cries out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”. How could the Father then cease to love Jesus while he was in the act of laying down his life? Christ endured this on the cross, so that you would never know what it is like. The experience was so horrible that the night before, Jesus prayed that this cup would be taken from him. StudyLıght.org. You’ll never see it more clearly than at the cross. My point is, what is God’s coming wrath? In the same way, God wants us to engage others even when it is uncomfortable. Scripture commanded the people of God to "hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by." I'd say, "Mama! I would like to put this personally to any tried child of God here. In fact Ps 22:24 says that God has NOT forsaken, has NOT turned his face away. If you have a testimony or story you would like to share or if you have a prayer request, please use the form below. Website: UnlockingtheBible.org, [1] Martin Luther, cited in C. H. Spurgeon sermon, The Saddest Cry From the Cross, #2803, Jan. 7, 1877, [2] Klass Schilder, Christ Crucified, p. 404, Sovereign Grace Pub., 2001, [3] Richard Sibbes, The Works of R.S. Our imaginations can not fathom the whole of the evil in that concept. We should not think that God the Father is more holy than Jesus the Son. All glory to God. Psalms 66:20 - Blessed be God, Who has not turned away my prayer Nor His lovingkindness from me. Bible Verses About Turning Away from God "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear." The sudden darkness tells us that something entirely new was happening. Are you saved? Also, not sure what you mean about “both judgments of the two lineages of humanity.” 5. Jesus sees, understands, and promises to be with us. We agree with you and do not doubt that Jesus felt alone and pained on the cross. That’s how much God loves you. “God is so holy that he turned away from Jesus on the cross.” It’s a common phrase used by many well-meaning people, but it is not true to the biblical text, the character or God, or the mission of Jesus. Thanks be to God for his inexpressible gift. How true this is for me, that in my great despair, I can be deceived into believing that God is less than He is. As such, I believe He did for a time. Mama!" Now, what sin is there you cannot forsake on account of him? I remember how you followed Me in the desert, through a land that had not been planted. The concealed face represents a violent rift between people and God, a burden of great wrong that is an ancient, shared vocabulary of pain and disappointment. For he has said in his heart, "God has forgotten, he has turned away his face, lest he see to the end." This is why on the cross Jesus cried out in aramaic, “My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me”. Sin cannot split the Trinity. What they saw with their eyes was prophesied 1,000 years before. - Duration: 41:15. Thanks for your beautiful thoughts. No doubt that Jesus could “feel” abandoned and alone on the cross. What Happens to People Who Never Hear the Gospel? 10/40 Connections wants to see a generation of Christ-followers rise up who live out their faith and engage in love and war with commitment and courage – in partnership with Jesus Christ! When christ died on the cross he bore the sins of the entire world AND the punishment of those sins. The Father Turns His Face Away? For posting on the web, a link to this document on our website (www.UnlockingtheBible.org) is preferred. That is where Jesus life in the flesh ultimately was sacrificed. Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." This was not an eclipse. He is outside of it. We are ready to make an impact in 2021! Let me remind you of them briefly…. This is about as graphic of a warning that we can possibly receive from the Lord if any of us is wallowing and walking in any heavy sin areas, and then we try to approach Him to answer any of our personal prayers. Verse 1 does not even mention the word face. ... [12] He set his face like a flint to do God's will. But there are some things that we know, because God has told us…. Bible Verses About Turning Away from God "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so … No, He loved his Son as much at that moment as He ever had. This is spot on! This is what my sin did to my Savior. Maybe he was thinking, “I really don’t prefer cup #3!” but that is pretty much a speculation. It was ours. 28 that if we honor and obey God, we reap blessings. He purchased us and ransomed us from sin and darkness. Mama! Possible significant theologically since it can imply a break in the Trinity, or that human sin could destroy divine unity, or that God the Father may also abandon a person in their deepest agony. Love reading Athanasius and the Cappadocian Fathers. He loved us first, Jesus looked directly upon sinners, and he promises not to leave or forsake us. Since the Christian view of God is trinitarian we also see God’s face in his Spirit whom he has sent to live in our hearts. At the end of these three hours of darkness, the light returned. The Father did not stop loving the Son in these hours of darkness. Enter a Verse Reference (e.g., John 3:16-17) After I said that God wouldn’t separate the unity that He had one friend told me that I was falsely looking at it through the lens of the Trinity and that was not biblical! Otherwise their is some portion of our punishment that has not been paid by the perfect Man. What separates Christianity from all other belief systems is the truth that God came to earth, lived perfectly though tempted, and took upon himself the shame and punishment of humanity’s sin. Posted on April 18, 2019 by Lynn. You can find it here. Beliefs impact actions and therefore during this Easter season, we want to share why we think this phrase is biblically inconsistent. One conclusion that we stumbled upon as an added point was the idea of the wrath of God. The Bible says, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD." Dishonor and disobey Him, we reap curses. What did it mean to the Holy Son of God to give himself up and become the sin-bearer, shut out from the love of the Father? You are righteous, because he bore your sin. God turned off the light. Completely forsaken. The exchange, during that moment is that Jesus won the victory. I had a friend just the other day talk about it as though it’s completely central and Biblical, and crucial to the idea of atonement. Isaiah 50:6. “This Week at Unlocking the Bible” features new articles, radio programs, devotionals, and ministry updates, Colin Smith is the Senior Pastor of The Orchard Evangelical…, He is in blackest darkness (2 Peter 2:17), He is separated from the love of God (2 Thessalonians 1:9). If God turned away from Jesus on the Cross, then sin appears to be more powerful than the unity of the Triune God. I have long believed this, but was unable to explain it this precisely. If there was anyone who knew the prophecy of 1000 years previous and had not yet accepted Jesus as the Mesiah, this should convince them. Cups of sanctification/deliverance/redemption/praise vs. Cup of grief, etc. It’s very hot,” what’s the first thing you want to do? The two על־כּן stand side by side upon the same line. Yet we believe that is what he did – and what a psalm, and what a majestic conclusion to that psalm! ⦁ As God’s holy people, we are set apart for his purposes. Thank you for sharing this truth and clearing up what has become a common error preached with great vigor by well-meaning teachers. Would be good to flesh out your statements more clearly as you jump from one large theological topic to another (God’s grief?, choice, clothing, survival, escaping temptation, journey, pathways). In the future we may use another blog and go through Ps 22 piece by piece, to dig a little deeper and not keep people wondering exactly what we mean. But afterwards, his lineage was judged being found worthy… God did not turn his face from “him” and he was resurrected, but notice it was from the dead (Hades, our places) and took those in faith of their covenants with himand leaving the rest, as it is today! He Jesus, willingly took on what we could not. “Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. ⦁ As a new creation in Christ, God is working within us to renew and restore the image of God. This topic has been bugging me for almost a year and a half now. He knows. The punishment include a break from gods fellowship. So if Jesus was separated from God, as people claim, and if He had to endure that, then why does God need to exercise this same wrath and judgement at the end of the days? He knows full well! Thank you for this teaching, I have returned to often through the years. At 3 o’clock that dark Friday afternoon, the Father turned His face away and the ancient, eternal fellowship between Father and Son was broken as divine wrath rained down like a million Soddoms and Gomorrah’s. People say that the cross satisfied God’s wrath. Often in the Bible God seems to hide His face. His suffering is over. But Christ is separated from this love. We fully agree. I think that the blood-sweat producing garden cup is better seen as a stark contrast to the joyful cups in the Upper Room. What Jesus was doing was using a form of teaching called remez or hint or clue. (O Death, where is your sting?) 1. We have heard many times (including in songs) the teaching that “turning his face away” means that God the Father cannot look upon sin, and the result is that fellowship between Father and Son was broken. The cups in the upper room were the four cups associated with the Pesach meal, AND ALSO (we believe) paralleled with the four cups of the Jewish betrothal ceremony. 9:17). I agree the garden cup does not mention “suffering” specifically in the Greek. Despite what we feel, we need to remind ourselves that God is in control. Jesus later declared that “The Son of Man (Jesus) came to seek and save the lost” (Luke 19:10). To help folks rethink something can be painful. The Bible says in Deut. C and L. The comments are marked by only responses to those in agreement with the article. Why hast thou forsaken me?” (Abandoned or deserted). I’ve been a Protestant Pastor for over 20 years and I’m just now getting a better understanding of what some call “The Chair Gospel” teaching of the early church’s understanding of salvation. James 5:19-20 ESV / 3 helpful votes Question: "What does it mean to seek God’s face?" ), but the clearest revelation of hell is given at the cross. Bible Study Tools Language Tools Historical Writings Pastoral Resources Personal Resources Site Resources advertisement. Contains one of the entire world and the punishment of those sins /... 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